Coronavirus Tidbits #88 10/4/20 Rose Garden Superspreader special


First, there is now a Resources Page here for the most commonly asked questions I'm getting.

Happy to continue to answer your questions/concerns as best I can, so don't be shy about that.


In Cleveland, wearing a mask in nonresidential indoor spaces is required

Also, Three White House journalists tested positive for COVID-19 today (10/2) per WHCA president @ZekeJMiller....11 cases stemming from pre-debate planning and set-up as of 8 pm, 10/2

WH announcing Trump's Covid and going to Walter Reed 4 years to the day that Trump mocks Hillary Clinton over her pneumonia outbreak

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Timeline of Trump's Covid:

fr Derek Thompson

This means: Trump was infected (and likely knew and hid that when he debated Biden in Cleveland, exposing the Bidens (among many) to Covid)


Positive Weds and does not tell Biden, Pelosi, or staff.












Attorney General Barr "chooses not" (aka refuses) to quarantine despite possible exposure to Covid-19 and visits an Indian tribe in Oklahoma.

Pence ignores quarantine and plans big rally in AZ

Ron Johnson tests positive but goes to Oktoberfest fundraiser.

Amy Coney Barrett ignores quarantine recs; also sends her children, who attended the Rose Garden cesspool, back to school

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As of 8 pm 10/3, those in the White House circle testing positive include:
Kellyanne Conway, Sen Thom Tillis, Sen Mike Lee, Notre Dame president

(There are more this am)

Chris Christie-- who checked into a hospital "out of an abundance of caution," giving a big FU to all the people who were seriously ill and symptomatic but denied hospitalization.

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Growing deception...will we even be told promptly if Trump dies?

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Humans do not develop long-lasting immunity to seasonal coronaviruses

according to a longitudinal serology study finds.

This suggests that COVID-19 will be with us for the long haul as a seasonal infection, and we will require annual immunization... which means, the documented cases of reinfection we have seen so far are the leading edge of what is likely to be a wave of reinfections during February-April of 2021.


still an incredible, negligent lack of accurate testing.

"The White House in March began using rapid tests made by Abbott Laboratories. The tests produce results in five to 13 minutes, but in a study earlier this year they missed a third of the positive samples identified by another brand. The tests also missed 48 percent of cases when they were not conducted with nasopharyngeal swabs that penetrate deeply into the nasal passages.


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"The President’s team either: A) Can’t read basic medical literature. B) Can read medical literature but can’t overrule what he’s telling them to do, based on what advice he’s getting elsewhere. C) Believes he is dying and therefore are willing to try anything." - Jeremy Faust, MD
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White House Objects to FDA Plans on Authorizing Covid-19 Vaccine

Thomas M. Burton, The Wall Street Journal, October 3, 2020

Senior White House officials have raised objections to the U.S. Food and Drug Administration’s proposed standards for deciding whether a Covid-19 vaccine should be given widely and don’t appear likely to sign off on the agency’s guidelines, people familiar with the matter said.

In talks with the FDA in recent days, White House officials expressed a number of concerns about the draft guidelines, including a proposal that would require researchers to monitor study subjects for side effects for two months after getting a shot, the people said.

The disagreement could put the administration on a collision course with the FDA over whether and when to authorize use of a Covid-19 vaccine, once the late-stage trials that are testing the shots start providing data—perhaps in as little as a few weeks—on how the injections are performing.

The White House could drop its objections and permit the FDA to publish its guidelines, the people said. Yet so far in talks, administration officials haven’t indicated they would approve the FDA’s proposal or seek to resolve concerns.

A White House spokesperson declined to comment.


Masks and Distancing work - Rose Garden edition

Epidemiology/Infection control:

There is good reason to think that a mini-outbreak of #SARSCoV2 occured on Sept. 26 @WhiteHouse Rose Garden SCOTUS nomination of #AmyConeyBarrett . So far nine people who attended have tested +, including 4 who all sat in 1st 3 rows & 3 reporters. - Laurie Garrett

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Given that prominent GOP are refusing to quarantine at all, let alone the 14 days recommended, here's a recap fr LA Times:

How long it takes for symptoms to begin

It takes a median of four to five days for symptoms of COVID-19 to begin following a person’s exposure to the coronavirus, although, generally speaking, it can take as long as 14 days.

However, a significant proportion of people who are infected — perhaps as much as 45% — never develop any symptoms, researchers say.

What should I do if I think I'm infected?

If you have symptoms of COVID-19 or you’ve been in close contact with someone who has it, the CDC recommends that you get a coronavirus test. Until you get your test results, you should assume you are infected. That means staying at home as much as possible so that you don’t risk infecting others. Of course, if you’re having a medical emergency, don’t be afraid to call 911.

How long it takes for coronavirus tests to detect infection

It can take roughly five to seven days for a coronavirus infection to trigger a positive test result, according to Dr. Otto Yang, an infectious disease specialist at UCLA.

Getting tested too early after a person is exposed to the coronavirus can yield a negative test result, even though the virus has entered the body and has started to replicate.

It can take time for the virus to reproduce to levels high enough in the body to be picked up by a test.

A single negative test does not mean you will remain negative at any time point after that test,” the CDC says.

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There are more cases of Covid in the White House than in all of New Zealand

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Nice #Dataviz of the Covid emanating from the White House:!/vizhome/COVID-19attheWhiteHouse-ContactTracking/OverviewDash


Tips, general reading for public:


Wash your hands.

Rinse and repeat.


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A Biden campaign official confirmed to NBC News that the campaign is pulling all of its negative advertising from their rotation of paid media. (10/2)...only a bit later, Trump campaign indicates it will not join @JoeBiden in pulling negative ads and has sent out more tonight (10/2). Per Daniel Dale, this includes "a fundraising email saying Biden is “probably already asleep in his basement.”

Joe Biden: "This cannot be a partisan moment. It must be an American moment. We have to come together as a nation. I'm running as a Democrat, but I [will] govern as an American president. Whether you voted for me or against me, I will represent you."

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Feel good du jour:

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Comic relief:

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"Ruth Bader Ginsburg is going to be replaced by a woman who walked through every door that Ginsburg opened for her so she can use her position to shut them all for others behind her."

Bits of beauty:


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